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April 19, 2010, 02:51:11 PM
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HELP! Competitive team needed!
Lets get straight to the point. I am hopeless with competitive battles. Please! Help!
Current team idea: Infernape (Flame Plate) Attack 252, Speed 252, Sp. Attack (SERIOUS) Stealth Rock/Flamethrower(24 PP)/Fire Blast/Close Combat Lucario (Leftovers) Sp. Attack 252, Sp. Def 252, 4 Speed (BRAVE) Dark Pulse/ Aura Sphere/ Earthquake/ Dragon Pulse Dragonite (Dragon Fang) Speed 252, Sp. Attack 252, 4 Sp. Def (LAX) Surf/Dragon Pulse/ Fly/Thunder (This is a mess, please help me find a proper moveset.) Ampharos (N/A) 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Attack, 4 Speed (MILD) ThunderPunch/Fire Punch/Discharge/Signal Beam (Another Mess.) Ideas for the rest of the team. Gyarados (N/A) ::EDIT:: Added to the team! SOON TO BE: 252 Speed, 252 Sp. Attack, 4 Defence (BASHFUL) Ice Fang/Thunder/Dragon Dance/Hydro Pump Blissey (N/A) ::EDIT:: Added to the team! SOON TO BE: 252 HP, 252 Sp. Defence, 4 Speed (RASH) Soft Boiled/Seismic Toss/Double Edge/Light Screen Again! HELP! I want to win atleast one Wifi battle :S ::EDIT:: The Blissey has Serene Grace! Last edited by Darkpie; April 21, 2010 at 06:56:15 PM. |
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April 19, 2010, 04:18:02 PM
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April 19, 2010, 05:31:34 PM
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Confound it Sunny beat me to it, but I will also give advice since he and I are both good competitive battlers:
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April 19, 2010, 06:35:37 PM
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I might have to do a mixture here. I don't have alot of these tms so i will mix them. I like the sword dance lucario. I personally like sunny's suggestions with the gyarados. Also, I can not find a soul in this forum with a seismic toss chancy/blissey or a gyarados they would trade. I am currently working on the gyarados problem. With the infernape. I would like to use fakeout. But not replacing flamethrower.Sunny's ampharos setup looks excellent, but any suggestions for a replacement in that spot? Ampharos isn't quite working for me.
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April 19, 2010, 10:44:01 PM
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Telling you what to change will only help you for abit until you realise you have to change it all again, instead of correcting your team go check out www.smogon.com Read everything in their article section aswell as some template movesets for the Pokemon you want to use. It's where i learnt everything.
With Ampharos you most likely wanna use substitute but remember he is an NU, might wanna stick to OU before testing other tiers. Last edited by Falco; April 19, 2010 at 10:46:31 PM. |
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April 20, 2010, 06:12:23 AM
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I agree with Falco, but for now, try to have a mixed Lucario; it might be useful. The physical set is also very effective.
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April 20, 2010, 04:06:05 PM
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This team is missing two important things: EVs and NATURES! You're not going to win any battles if you don't EV train your team or have good natures. And if you don't even know what EVs are, then you shouldn't even think of challenging people until you learn how they work.
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April 20, 2010, 04:50:24 PM
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Without EVing or having proper natures, the stats of your pokemon can become really screwed up. I reccomend googling a guide for EV training. Theres lotsa them and its pretty easy to understand. =w= IV's are totally diffrent thing. They help alot but there much more complicated, and luck based. |
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April 21, 2010, 05:33:58 PM
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I am EVing the blissey and gyarados. I EVed the lucario and infernape already.
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April 21, 2010, 06:01:45 PM
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Can you post the specific EVs along with the natures in the first post please? o3o
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April 21, 2010, 06:06:09 PM
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April 21, 2010, 06:45:40 PM
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Well, sunny, I will work on that soon. And ala, I was thinking about doing a speed-hp bliss... but then I thought I should strengthen my strengths. So here is my layout. 252 hp, 252 Sp. Def, 4 Speed.
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April 21, 2010, 06:50:10 PM
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When EVing Blissey, you should ALWAYS give it 252 Defense EVs. It may sound weird to EV a Pokemon's worst stat, but Blissey is a special case. Its special defense and HP are already so high that everyone will use physical attacks on Blissey. By maxing out Defense, you gain the ability to take physical hits way better than if you had no Defense.
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April 21, 2010, 07:49:35 PM
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April 21, 2010, 11:38:43 PM
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@Darkpie: Make sure you know everything before EV training because theres nothing worse than finishing a Pokemon and realising you missed something silly like an ability or something. Just trying to save you alot of time. consider everything, movepools, EV's (especially), IV's, Natures.
EDIT: I guess you are using Shoddybattle!? Last edited by Falco; April 21, 2010 at 11:39:13 PM. Reason: The kid needs Shoddy info! lol |
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April 22, 2010, 04:42:14 AM
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I don't know what ShoddyBattle is. I also think that Gyarados would need more Sp. Attack as most of his attacks are not physical. As for Blissey, I really like these changes. Luckily, I haven't started to train Sp. Defence yet. So Defence it will be! I am also using the Dragon-Dance Dragonite. Or D.D.D for short. So, overall, I like these suggestions.
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April 22, 2010, 08:30:12 AM
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April 22, 2010, 11:54:20 AM
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April 23, 2010, 12:03:28 PM
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April 25, 2010, 11:39:01 AM
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Well, I will try that site. Thanks!
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April 25, 2010, 02:07:52 PM
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No worries, if you ever want a friendly match just hit me up.
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#22
May 3, 2010, 04:57:10 AM
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Okay! Thank you all for the tips! I have gotten almost every moveset done and I am now EVing. I also decided to drop Ampharos.. so umm.. here it is!
Infernape (Focus Sash) Stealth Rock Flamethrower Close Combat Stone Edge Blissey (Leftovers) Toxic SoftBoiled Thunderbolt Double-Edge (Looking for another move to replace Double Edge) Lucario (Focus Sash) Swords Dance Earthquake Dark Pulse Aura Sphere (Shiny) Umbreon (Leftovers) Moonlight Toxic Dark Pulse Sucker Punch Yup, I finally got one. Gyarados (Leftovers) Dragon Dance Earthquake Waterfall Ice Fang Ok, now I need your help on this choice! Dragonite (Leftovers) Fly Dragon Dance Dragon Pulse Ice Beam OR Porygon-Z (Leftovers) Thunderbolt Recover Tri-Attack Psybeam I think I have a good set.. Extra TMs for Thunderbolt and Earthquake. Let me know! Also, Falco I would love to battle. |
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May 3, 2010, 06:06:53 AM
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May 4, 2010, 06:32:56 PM
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May 4, 2010, 10:36:08 PM
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Question: How come you corrected his shiny Umbreon? You put regular by the side, is this so he looks more genuine when battling?
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May 5, 2010, 04:19:05 AM
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I have a few questions.. Is Heal Bell like aromatherapy and does blissey learn that normally, or is it an egg move? Second I love my new Umbreon set-up! I switched it around and here is the moveset:
Payback Dark Pulse MoonLight Toxic. I battled somebody on another forum and won! And this little guy did it! Second, I don't want to use Bounce, I think it is a 2 tur n move and the opponent can think of something to counter gyarados by then. LOVE THE DRAGONITE SET-UP! I was also using Aura Sphere to insure a hit. Also, I am switching to Close Combat/ Extremespeed as I type. As for porygon z, I really like that setup. Where can I get Hidden Power and get it to be fsoighting? I never used hidden power before. Let me know! Oh, almost forgot! I have a ditto and my umbreon, so I will attempt to get an umbreon with Curse or something like that. To test it and see if I like it. |
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May 10, 2010, 06:21:33 PM
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one of my friends has an action replay if I ask I can get some tms for you but you will have to wait like a week
Last edited by Pearls Before Grumpig; May 10, 2010 at 06:22:13 PM. |
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May 10, 2010, 06:25:56 PM
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Aromatherapy and Heal Bell are both Egg moves on Blissey, so just use whiched you can get since they are identical. But on the Umbreon... GET RID OF DARK PULSE. Please please PLEASE! It is always a bad idea to have two attacks of the same type on one Pokemon (except for very few exceptions), and Umbreon should not be attacking that much in the first place. I have said it before and I will say it again. Umbreon is for support. Taunt could replace Dark Pulse quite well, since it is one of the best moves Umbreon gets that is not an egg move or requires and egg move to work well. Also it is nice to know that you like the Lucario and Dragonite sets! They do work well. Simple, but reliable. Hidden Power is a complex move... the type and power changes based on a Pokmon's IVs which are invisible and can not be changed, so unless you are uber competitive don't breed for Hidden Power alot because it takes really nice IVs to get a high power. But if you are up for it, look up a Hidden Power guide. Oh, and with breeding with Umbreon, I advise to get Curse and Wish you breed with a Smeargle. Have a lady Eevee breed with a male Smeargle that knows Wish and Curse and you'll be OK. Last edited by Alakazamaster; May 10, 2010 at 06:33:48 PM. |
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May 11, 2010, 04:45:21 AM
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As for you ala, I like your suggestions, but where is a smeargle at in SS? |
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May 26, 2010, 01:32:01 PM
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Lets Sort this team Out,
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BTW!!! Your Blissey Must Have Natural Cure. Its useless with Serene Grace. 
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